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Lasisha Mishi
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Posted - 2016.02.02 18:51:21 -
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Tau Phoenix wrote:Two things, this: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. Source CCP: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/accord-reached-at-ccps-special-summit/ then this: Skill Trading The new skill trading system is coming to EVE Online, allowing players to turn skillpoints into a commodity for trade on the open market. This new method of sharing training will offer unparalleled options for skill tree customization, and assist new players in their quest to rapidly get ahead in the race for dominance in New Eden. Source CCP: http://updates.eveonline.com/date/2016-02-09/ Nothing more to say really. Uh where does it say we need money. It says "a commodity for trade on the open market".
So from what i understand, everything needed to do this will be available through the market, provided people sell it. Or through AUR/Plex from the market. |
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Posted - 2016.02.02 19:00:28 -
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Mintoko wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote: Uh where does it say we need money. It says "a commodity for trade on the open market".
So from what i understand, everything needed to do this will be available through the market, provided people sell it. Or through AUR/Plex from the market.
The injector is sold on the market. The extractor that gets turned into the injector is sold through the Exchange for Aurum, which is converted from Plex. Plex is sold by CCP for real money. So as long as people continue to inject Plex, its fair game. If people stop selling Plex, then i see the issue. |
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Posted - 2016.02.03 16:08:42 -
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I don't think the Devs are going to release the price until the launch as if we know the price, it would cause a minor dip in the economy as people buy PLEX in mass.
Not to mention people would either complain its to expensive for the amount of SP given, or to cheap. Regardless of the price there will be people complaining, and people happy.
Best they can do is leave it a mystery until launch so people can't prepare, and thus lessen the launch day influx, and delay the cries of the people who are dissatisfied with the price until its already out.
Wise? Yes and no. Common Tactic by companies? Yes. |
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:55:57 -
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Tau Phoenix wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Tau Phoenix wrote:The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. So, character 1 invests TIME to get a year of training and fly Falcon / Tengu / whatever. Character 2 invests MONEY to get the same damn skills trained and fly the same damn Falcon / Tengu / whatever. Where exactly is the "unfair advantage"? One invests money, the other invests time, both end up being able to use the same damn ship with the same capabilities. Hi Memphis. I see your point at its conclusion but the way i look at this is like this: Two new players join Eve online on the same day. Charatcer 1 is a rich kid. Character 2 is not. Character 1 doesn't want to train in the traditional time sense but does not have any ISK to buy SP from the market. Of course the way he can do this is buy buying PLEX for real money, selling the PLEX for ISK on the market and therfore obtaining the ISK to buy the SP Injectors. Character 2 can not financially afford to do this. So, in my example does charater 1 have an unfair advantage over charater 2 due to their personal financial status? Character 1 sells PLEX for isk. Buys from character bazaar. (or ebay)
Whats the difference?
Character bazaar is cheaper. |
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:34:15 -
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Shova'k wrote:Duke Paradox wrote:
This is a stupid point. Have you ever been in a 1v1 fight? The last thing you should be doing is calculating the other guy's skill points. RANGE CONTROL RANGE CONTROL RANGE CONTROL and overheat all the things. That's what you need to be thinking about. A fight between two people with the exact same ships, fits, and SP, almost never happens. Someone always has an advantage. That's the name of the game... Theory crafting an unusual fit will win you more fight than a 5% increase to DPS for 20 days skill training to level V.
If you are looking at character's age before fighting them you're doing it wrong. My old main had 80m SP but I found it difficult to find fun fights because risk averse folks like yourself looking at my age. I rolled a new toon, trained him into a focused Atron and had a blast killing vets with a 1 month old guy. That isn't how it should be. The opinion that SP mean so freaking much is hurting the game. If this change does anything, I hope it does away with this mentality of checking a pilot's age before you engage. Just man-up and engage already!
EDIT: I want to add, the Pay-To-Win bullshit makes me laugh. EVE isn't a game you win. You may win a fight or lose a fight but at the end of the day you go on and do something bigger than that one fight. EVE is about building relationships and having fun however you decide to do it. In a sandbox game where you set your own goals, winning comes from within yourself and cannot be attained with just SP. So this idea that buying SP will help you win EVE is ridiculous. I've been playing a racing game from EA on my phone that pings me for an in-game purchase daily... drive new more powerful cars and win races... only $9.99. That's ******* pay-to-win. I cannot even play the stupid game without feeding them more money. Here, you can continue to play EVE and access all its content at the regular pace or you can accelerate it if you want. Nobody is forcing you one way or the other.
the people who whine this is pay to win are like terrorist they are stuck in their one sided belief no matter what any one tells them they will not change their belief. i made multiple posts point out that pay to win does not exist in even and pretty much cant. UNLESS CCP finds a way to directly copy experience and knowledge from players who have been around a while then upload that into new players for a FEE that would be the only way you could pay to win at eve and since that isnt possible yet lol. the only thing you can do is pay to save time nothing more nothing less you still have to not suck at the game to make use of what you buy this is actually weaker then the character bazaar i mean come on you know people are gonna over charge like hell for the injectors and if ur over 5 mill sp they are practicly worthless and you would get more bang for your isk buying a specialized character on the bazzar. either way you still have to learn how to do the stuff you plan to do other wise your just gonna make some one's day by becoming a tasty gank or kill for them. example is people who drop money on plex buy a character and then jump in a pirate BS or marauder and put 5-50 billion in officier/deadspace and faction gear on it then try to run missions in high sec then wonder why 20 catalyst gank them. people who buy a carrier or dread pilot then try to use it to do missions in low sec then get killed. (and before caps could use gates they would be at a gate trying to jump then get pissed when they get killed by a gang) but like the terrorist who believe they get their 72 virgins (which will most likely be the 72 guys who went before them lol or wow players lol) the people who think any type of real life money into a game is pay to win will never change their views. i had some idiots in npc corp chat claim that the ship skins are pay to win lol you just cant change the perception of people with one track minds. this system is limited and will be very expensive useless to any one who isnt a millionare in real life or a trillion iskare in game since the injectors will be very expensive since you have to factor the cost of aurm + the cost of isk/sp at 500 k sp just cause the injector will be worth less for people over 5 mill sp dont mean sellers are gonna care every sp is worth invested time to them. cry babies who think this is pay to win get off your soap box and stop being trolls and learn to actually think before you rage. I agree. But I do need to point out one thing.
That first paragraph of yours gave me the mind's image of them strapping interns to a chair with that giant metal helmet, and doing experiments to try to make that idea come true.
RIP Interns, they knew what they were getting into.
P.S. The 72 virgins are all US Marine Drill Sergeants. W8ing to make sure the terrorist regrets the afterlife as much as he regrets life. |
Lasisha Mishi
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Posted - 2016.02.04 19:18:09 -
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Mintoko wrote:Duke Paradox wrote:the people who whine this is pay to win are like terrorist they are stuck in their one sided belief no matter what any one tells them they will not change their belief. i made multiple posts point out that pay to win does not exist in even and pretty much cant. UNLESS CCP finds a way to directly copy experience and knowledge from players who have been around a while then upload that into new players for a FEE that would be the only way you could pay to win at eve and since that isnt possible yet lol. . If the "whiners" are like terrorists in their one-sided belief, then what are you? Your belief that it's not pay to win is also one-sided and nothing anyone says will change your mind. So what are you? We Americans delivering freedom whether you like it or not, or in this case progress.
and whether we in the right country we supposed to be liberating...or not https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/4f/83/274f83d9a316835555770c1289373c3c.jpg
(sorry i couldnt resist pulling the American joke and the "free random country" joke, you sorta set it up for me to say that so perfectly~) |
Lasisha Mishi
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Posted - 2016.02.05 17:26:55 -
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Citizen 13263952 wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:OK, My question is simple.
After you remove the skill points to 0 in those skills you no longer want, can you remove the skill from your skillsheet.
I do not want a bunch of 0 level skills showing up. Why remove skill points if you can not remove the skill itself.
Please answer this CCP. Was this answered? I'm of the same mind regarding skills you don't want on your board at all. Not answered yet.
But the most popular theory is the skill is disabled when it hits 0, and can't be trained out of this disabled mode until its prerequisite requirements are met.
Second most popular theory is you can't take SP from a skill that's already fully trained.
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Lasisha Mishi
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:28:22 -
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Mintoko wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:Citizen 13263952 wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:OK, My question is simple.
After you remove the skill points to 0 in those skills you no longer want, can you remove the skill from your skillsheet.
I do not want a bunch of 0 level skills showing up. Why remove skill points if you can not remove the skill itself.
Please answer this CCP. Was this answered? I'm of the same mind regarding skills you don't want on your board at all. Not answered yet. But the most popular theory is the skill is disabled when it hits 0, and can't be trained out of this disabled mode until its prerequisite requirements are met. Second most popular theory is you can't take SP from a skill that's already fully trained. A skill reduced to level 0 is not removed and can be retrained as long as the prerequisites still exist and skillpoints can be taken from a skill that's fully trained. ty |
Lasisha Mishi
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Posted - 2016.02.05 19:10:48 -
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Tau Phoenix wrote:Well, one thing is for sure. Whether you are in the 'Yes' camp or 'No' camp on this issue there is at least one good thing about Feb 9th..... .......Pancakes. waffles or death! |
Lasisha Mishi
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Posted - 2016.02.05 19:45:35 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote: waffles or death!
If I ever form an alliance I'm using that for the name :D long as you don't hold me hostage and demand my waffles <.<
i'd choose death first xD |
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Lasisha Mishi
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:13:34 -
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<3 sooner i can use the sentries on my Stratios the better, 10 day waiting time at the moment. Plus i've got an old character who could use a reshuffle for SP. |
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:13:42 -
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Alea wrote:Lasisha Mishi wrote:https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/t31.0-8/12657328_10153933304054394_6217410085722889067_o.jpg
<3 sooner i can use the sentries on my Stratios the better, 10 day waiting time at the moment. Plus i've got an old character who could use a reshuffle for SP. Only ten more days wait..?? WTF..?? I have trained many skills that took over a month, why is it so hard to just wait like everybody else did before you..?? Instant gratification kiddies will be the reasoning behind this games demise, that and CCPs greed to fund other projects before Eve finally dies a horribly embarrassing death. The huge influx of RL money CCP is going to be making off of this embarrassment is going to be monumental, I can't see a reason why they would not make the tiny step towards full pay to win withing the next few years since buying skills will obviously be a huge financial success, most likely right before this game goes completely WoW kiddie friendly will be my guess. Was fun while it lasted though, was by far the best MMO ever. never played WoW, but considering WoW is very successful. I don't see how being like WoW is a bad thing.
I like to play, i dislike waiting. If theres something I can do in game to speed up the training time, i do it as its a way to play.
When theres nothing i can do to speed it up through playing, it feels like i'm paying for the privilege of waiting. Is it that surprising i've played since 2010 and yet haven't been subbed for all of 2011,2012, most of 2013, and just returned in 2016. I pay to play, not to wait.
They discussed this when they considered a daily mission reward system. Where your first agent mission gives bonus rewards. No idea if thats still on the board, but it encouraged logging in to play more often, rather than subscribe and leave for a few months.
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